Infowars host praises violent attempted takeover of Oregon statehouse, rails at police for intervening
Written by John Whitehouse & Timothy Johnson
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As far-right protesters stormed the Oregon legislature yesterday, an Infowars host cheered them on and vilified police responding, saying that “a certain number of these officers, they've signed on to the Democrats, folks. They've signed over and they've become the new Nazis.”
Oregon Public Broadcasting reported that the protesters, who were interrupting a special session to consider a COVID-19 relief bill, were calling on legislatures “to reopen the state economy and end the restrictions aimed at curbing the coronavirus,” and some had firearms and bear spray; it also reported that the contingent was organized by the violent far-right group Patriot Prayer, which has ties to white nationalism. Some of the protesters demanded the arrest of Democratic Gov. Kate Brown, and there are clips of protesters apparently assaulting journalists:
While guest-hosting the December 21 broadcast of The Alex Jones Show, Infowars’ Owen Shroyer praised the protesters as heroic and railed at the police for trying to stop them, at various points claiming that violence was not only justified but required, suggesting the police were making themselves the target, and likening Democratic governance to Nazi Germany.
Citation From the December 21, 2020, edition of Infowars' The Alex Jones Show
OWEN SHROYER (HOST): You know, we are really on the verge of the American Revolution 2.0, 1776 meets 2021 in so many different ways. And the system is rigged against us in all walks of life, many of which you don't even realize until you battle them. Right now, though, in Oregon, and — do we have a live feed of this, guys? Yes. Is this live right now or is this a replay? OK, so we are live right now, the Oregon State Capitol building, where dozens, perhaps even hundreds, of patriots are trying to take the capitol right now.
Yes, you heard me right. They have the capitol shut down and it looks like either the National Guard or somebody there protecting it. And patriots in Oregon have decided they're taking the capitol building. They have been maced. They have been assaulted. Perhaps even arrests have been made. We're just getting this intel. This is all developing right now. So we've got the live feed. Is there audio of this too guys?
OK, so we're going to try to also have audio of this feed, but as you can see, there's law enforcement. They've already breached the capitol building. It looks like it appears a side door. They've breached the capitol building. They're trying to take the capitol building. But you have law enforcement there. Now, think about this. If you're in Portland, Oregon, you can literally do whatever the hell you want, OK? You can take buildings, you can burn buildings, you can loot. You can just take over whole city blocks and just declare them as yours. But if you're actual law-abiding American citizens, they send law enforcement after you when you want to take the state capitol. So it's like this weird thing.
They — now, of course, it's all very confusing, but it's like if you go to the Oregon State Capitol and you say we're BLM, we're BLM, we're creating an autonomous BLM zone, then they would stand down. But if you show up and you say we're American patriots standing up for America, then they come after you. So it's just another example of the law being enforced politically. This is incredible. I mean, folks, you're looking at the beginning of an American Revolution right now.
This is amazing. We now have the live feed. So patriots in Oregon are trying to take their state back and the Democrats are sending law enforcement after them.
Now, here's the problem. We're pro-police here. We do back the blue. We understand it's a very complex issue. Personally, I am just against all the laws that they have to enforce. And I get in debates with police officers and former police officers and everything about that. And it's a fair debate. I'm against the war on drugs. I'm against traffic violations. There should be a lot less restrictions and measurements and it should be more OK, you were speeding. Where you actually putting anybody in danger or not? You know, oh, you're doing, you know, crack in a street alley. I'm not going to bother with you. Oh, you're trying to give it to kids. OK, maybe there's a problem with that. But see, when you look at a situation like this that we're in and you have a total tyranny that we're facing and you have one side of the aisle that's allowed to do whatever the hell they want — they can burn, they can loot, they can riot, they can take building, they can just anything, whatever the hell they want — and no law enforcement even gets involved or steps in their way or makes an arrest. But then when you actually try to save your country and law enforcement shows up to put a mace in your eye, to put smoke in your face, in your mouth, in your lungs or beat you over the head when you're just trying to take your country back. Now, I have to say, I'm anti police.
So I'm pro-police. I back the blue. I want to get along with police. I respect the police. But as soon as you choose a side, which is what they've done and I understand, oh, they're just taking orders. Well, who's giving you the orders? It's the same Democrats that have killed the economy. It's the same Democrats that make you wear a mask, the same Democrats that make you vaccinate. So it's the enemies of America giving you the orders. So as soon as you take orders from the enemies of America, you become the enemies of America.
Now, I'm not saying the police are the enemies of America. I'm not saying state troopers, National Guard. I'm not saying that the enemies of America. They could be our number one heroes. But as soon as they start taking commands from the Democrats, they then put themselves in the shoes, in the uniform of the anti-American enemy.
And that's the last thing I want to do, is be coming on air, pointing out at police, pointing out at state troopers, pointing out the National Guard, saying you're the enemy of America. That's the last thing I want to do. But when when we're in this situation and we have all everything against the wall and you know damn well who the enemy of America is and you know damn well who's giving you these illegal, tyrannical orders, you know damn well it's Democrat mayors, damn well it's Democrat governors, and damn well it's Democrat judges and prosecuting attorneys and all of it. And you sit there and you let them do it while the Democrat militant wing BLM and antifa get to run roughshod in every county, every city that they want, and you do nothing?
Yeah, you just put on the SS uniform. You just put on the Nazi swastika. You just Heil'ed Hitler.
So, again, the last thing I want to do is point out at a law enforcement officer and say, you're the enemy of America. But I'm always going to call it as it is. I'm going to call a spade a spade. So those officers that just did this to these patriots, you are now the enemies of America. And I hope you wake up and realize what's happening in this country because you're just going to be put in the front lines.
You know, that's what these people, these leftists don't understand. That's what Black Lives Matter and antifa. And these law enforcement officers don't understand. The globalists and the Chi-com Democrats are literally using you as a human meat shield.
Do you understand that? We the people will go through you if we have to. We don't want to. We would much rather you just get out of the way or join our ranks. But the Democrats are using these law enforcement officers as a human meat shield.
And so. Oh, my gosh. This is incredible. And you know what, I don't want any harm to come to these officers, but at the same time, I'm cheering on these patriots to do whatever they have to do. Because this is a battle for America and it's on.
And we're not going to sit here and stand by while all of our rights are eroded and you allow the militant Democrat wing to take over our cities with BLM and antifa, and you allow the tyrannical Democrat wing to shut down our free market.
And then you sit there at the capitol building and do their bidding as a useful human meat shield to stop us from getting to them? Yes, you are now the SS Nazi officer taking orders. So I suggest if you're listening to this and you're a police officer, if you're listening to this and you're in the National Guard, if you're listening to this and you're a state trooper, you need to tell everyone within your ranks to stand down when American patriots show up and say, we're taking this country back. You do not want to be the ones that engage in this fight. You didn't sign up to fight a civil war; don't do it. You did not sign up to stop our rights, so don't do it. And those thousands of patriots in Oregon right now, the state capitol building, they are well within their rights and even beyond their rights to do what they're doing today. And they're heroes for doing it.
And let me tell you, folks. Speaking from experience, when you go into a situation and you know damn well you're about to get arrested and go to jail, you have to bite that bullet and you have to take it because you know what you're doing is for the greater good. And you know what you're doing is going to be an example for other Americans to see, follow and re-create.
So let me tell you, whatever happens in Oregon today is going to happen in every single state in the next 30 days. This is huge. We're going to continue to monitor this situation. I stand and I salute these patriots in Oregon. Take your capitol back! Be the voice! Be the leaders!
Citation From the December 21, 2020, edition of Infowars' The Alex Jones Show
OWEN SHROYER (HOST): Back here live in the Infowars world headquarters in Austin, Texas, and I am I am shaking right now.
I'm not somebody that normally gets, like, shaky like this or like, you know, feels the pressure of a situation and that's not what it is, but what's happening in Oregon right now is — I mean, I got all this news that I need to cover. But the dichotomy of what's happening in Oregon right now is so imperative for people to understand, because it's everything. And this is basically the Battle of the Bulge. This is potentially the shot heard around America. Whatever happens in Oregon today will determine what happens in the rest of the states around this country.
And I'll tell you, I'm sickened at the behavior of these police officers. I'm sickened. You make us sick. You have now become the Nazi SS soldiers just doing your job. You are now becoming the foot soldiers of the Chinese Communist Party. And these police officers make me sick, make my blood boil. Now, let me explain this, because it's very complex, as we have the live feed going. This is live in Oregon.
Again, this is the state capitol in Oregon. Thousands of patriots showed up today to take their capitol building back, which is rightfully theirs. And this scum in blue are stopping them from doing it and arresting people and assaulting people and spraying them with mace, and it makes me sick.
So let me explain this dichotomy here as this is happening live and we're tuned in. So the police in our country, law enforcement in our country, have been politicized. One side of the aisle wants to respect the police, stand with police, back the police, keep them funded and the morale high. Another side literally wants to kill the police. They want to kill the police. They want to defund the police.
And that's the dichotomy. Now. One side, which is the side that wants to support the police, decides that the country is in danger and they're going to have to do some drastic action by taking back what's rightfully theirs, the state capitol building that belongs to we the people. But now the officers are there stopping them, assaulting them, arresting them, and spraying them with mace. Why? Well, because they're being told to do that by the Democrats that run their state.
These are the same corrupt Democrats that work for the Chi-coms, these are the same corrupt Democrats that call for defunding the police, and these are the same corrupt Democrats that let Black Lives Matter and antifa run roughshod on the police and the police can do nothing.
So antifa and BLM are literally above the law because that's what the Democrats have have created now in the system with the police and law enforcement. But any conservative Trump supporter is a criminal on site and has no rights. But you say, well, that just doesn't make sense, why would the police — why would law enforcement be taking illegal orders from the Democrats that want them dead? And not be standing with the patriots that want to respect them, work with them and back them and make sure that they're funded and respected and their morale is high? Well, see, this ultimately is the biggest catch of all. And this is why the globalists have us in their Venus flytrap folks.
And it's the same story of all time. With the Nazis and anybody else.
Well, why are the police doing it? Well, it's their job. They're just doing their job and they need a paycheck. It's hard to get a paycheck in this country anymore. Half the country shut down, but they still get to collect their paycheck, the ones that are lucky enough not to be defunded or shut down yet.
But so imagine you're a Democrat or you're Black Lives Matter and antifa. You literally want police dead. You get to break the law all day long, without any discipline. And now the country is being destroyed, people's livelihoods are being destroyed. So then people decide they're going to rise up and legally and lawfully, peacefully protest and take their capitol back, and then the same Democrats who want these police officers dead tell them to go out and protect them from the patriots taking their building back. And they do it because why? They need money. They need the money. They need the job.
And so now these police officers are putting their own bottom line and their own paycheck ahead of everything else. Everything that is right, everything that is God-given in our rights, and everything this country stands for. And it really makes me sick because this is what's going to happen here. The police are going to become our enemy. And that's the last thing I want to see, because the police are not my enemy. The police have never been my enemy. But now the police will become we the people's enemy if they become the front line foot soldiers for the Chi-coms, for the globalists, for the Democrat Party, for Black Lives Matter and antifa.
And people — look at that pig spraying an innocent woman. Oh, boy, I'll tell you.
This this this is something right here, folks, and they won't cover this on mainstream news, by the way. They won't even mention any of this.
See, but again, notice, where is the left? Where is Black Lives Matter? Where is antifa? Well, let's just send them in. They're allowed to kill police. They're allowed to attack police. They're allowed to take over buildings. See, that's the problem. When you fly an American flag, you don't have any rights. But if you fly a Black Lives Matter flag, then you can kill police and do whatever the hell you want.
So, I mean, I say this tongue in cheek, but seriously, it's almost like if they can't reach the full building and take it over today, they should all come back tomorrow with Black Lives Matter flags. I'm not joking about that. Because it just shows as an example how there's two sets of rules and then the optics, the optics of Black Lives Matter supporters getting attacked by police, the optics of Black Lives Matter not being able to break the law, the optics of Black Lives Matter not being to create an autonomous zone. It'll send the entire media paradigm into a spiral. Everybody observing and watching will finally realize what the hell's going on. So I got all this news but I'm going to continue to monitor this situation. This is Battle of the Bulge potential right here. And I am I am with these Oregon patriots in heart and spirit and mind. I hope they have victory today.
Boy, I am real hot and bothered right now. Oh, boy.
We've got a guest host for the War Room today, and because, quite frankly, kind of like Alex has like 100 things to do off air, he just never takes off air. [Indecipherable.] It's kind of the same thing here. I've got Democrats trying to put me in jail right now and I got to take care of some legal stuff that it's like impossible to do. But I may have to come on to the War Room too today. But it's like, what do I do? Do I fight this legal stuff to try to stay out of jail or do I try to help the republic free itself?
But let me just say this. I got to get to this news as we're monitoring the situation in Oregon. You know, one of the biggest things that sparks a revolution, specifically, a righteous one, is giving the revolutionaries a physical enemy to attack and then to use that for motivation. And I'm not saying I want that to be the police. I don't want that to be the police — that's the last thing I want. I want the police to realize they need to stand down in this situation, just like they stand down for Black Lives Matter or antifa that literally wants them dead and kills people in the streets that they never seem to want to do law enforcement then. And if that's because they're getting illegal orders then they need to recognize those illegal illegal orders and fight against them.
But see, let me tell you something right now. If you give Trump supporters, if you give, quote, unquote, right-wingers or you give these patriots an actual physical enemy to attack, you've just gifted them. Bad for you, good for the republic. The greatest gift they could ever ask for, and that's an actual physical enemy to attack, to bring down, that will actually mobilize people in this fight. Now, again: I don't want the police attacked.
Conservatives and Trump supporters are not the people that attack the police. That's the Democrats, that's BLM, that's Antifa. But now you're getting in our way and we've seen you let the radical left terrorize our streets for an entire year.
And all we want to do is take our capitol back and you dare mace these people and assault these people and arrest these people. When we have watched you stand idly by while the Democrats have terrorized us, murdered us, destroyed our business, $2 billion in property damage and you didn't do anything. And now we show up at a peaceful protest and you shut us down.
Boy, I hope you know what you're doing. Because if you don't, you're about to find out. But Oregon is setting the example for the rest of the country right now. We need this in every state capitol building.
And in fact that's why — I'm going to be honest, I'm kind of upset at President Trump for doing this whole January 6 thing because it's just more like herding cats. It's like, we can march in D.C. all these different times. We don't even organize. Trump just throws out a date and it's like, OK, well, now I guess we're all going and then we'll be there again. No. Trump needs to say every state on this day, take your capitol back.
Just like they're doing in Oregon and see, but and then you put all the onus on the local leaders and you put all the onus on police to draw their lines, are you with us or are you with the Chi-coms? Are you with America or are you with the Democrats? Are you with freedom or are you with tyranny? And you know what? If some of the police have to hang up their hats and hang up their badges, then guess what? Welcome to the real world, where a lot of people have lost their jobs, where a lot of people go home not knowing how they're going to put food on the table or not knowing how they're going to pay for their Christmas gifts.
Citation From the December 21, 2020, edition of Infowars' The Alex Jones Show
OWEN SHROYER (HOST): But if you sign on to the New World Order and you sign on to the Democrats and the Chi-coms, then understand they have successfully made you a meat shield.
A human meat shield.
To stand in the way of us stopping the corruption and, believe me, that scenario for you is much worse than not having a job for a couple of weeks or a month, which is probably about how long this whole thing would take.
But I'll tell you, all the Trump supporters that chant back the blue, all the Trump supporters that say stand with the police, you're going to lose about half of them when they see videos like this. Let me just tell you. Because as much as we want to back the blue and get along with police, we'd rather see all of you out of a job and us get our country back than sit here and have to play games with you or negotiate with you that, hey, we're in a battle for the republic. If you don't get that by now, you're either willingly standing in the way or you're in for a rude awakening.
So this is going to be interesting to see what happens in Portland. Excuse me, see what happens in Oregon. Salem, Oregon, is the capital.
Not too far from Portland, where, again, Black Lives Matter and antifa is allowed to just roam the streets, killing people, you know, doing whatever the hell they want, taking over businesses, taking over government buildings. It's just ridiculous. And then you, a law-abiding citizen, can't even go into your state capitol building.
This is a major demarcation line today. And I believe the dominoes will fall.
But, you know, this whole thing, January 6 in D.C., we'll see what happens, if anything. It's just odd to me that we've already had two of these major things and the president never really gave them any juice. And then he wants to juice this thing on January 6. People are going to be juiced out by the inauguration is what I'm afraid of.
And that's why I think it's time to act locally.
And I'll tell you, you know, the reason why Alex is trying to take a break, and I encouraged him to this week, is because we are about to enter the fourth quarter of this battle, folks. Or maybe we just finished the fourth quarter and we're going into sudden-death overtime. But, you know, the point is you need your best players to be rested and ready to go for this final level, not worn out and injured. That's why I took some time off when my voice went out. But I mean, this is just — this is what the American revolution is going to look like in 2021. What's happening in Oregon? Oh, my gosh, I just and you know what, though?
Seeing the videos of the police assaulting the patriots in Oregon, it really it really hurts me because I think they liked it.
And I think a certain level of their consciousness or a certain number of these officers, they've signed on to the Democrats, folks. They've signed over and they've become the new Nazis.
They've become the new Nazi SS foot soldiers. So you have the brownshirts, which is Black Lives Matter and antifa, and now you have the SS soldiers, which is the police officers illegally enforcing Democrat mandates. And look at that. Look, when you have a police officer standing there macing an innocent woman in the face, you're gone.
You're no longer one of us. We no longer like you. We're no longer going to stand with you. You're done.
OK, so that officer needs to be fired and arrested. Absolutely. And I'll tell you again, hey, Black Lives Matter and antifa are severely misguided and brainwashed. But boy oh boy, I'll invite them right now to join our side to fight these police. How would you like that?
So maybe that's what needs to happen. Hey, Black Lives Matter and antifa, we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things, but you know what? We want to stand up against the establishment here. We've identified them.
Join us. What would happen if that was Black Lives Matter and antifa storming that capitol? You know what would happen? The police would stand down. Oh but because it's a Trump flag and an American flag, you get maced, you get hit with a billy club, you get arrested. But you know damn well if they had Black Lives Matter flags, they would be escorted into the state capitol and probably given the keys to the building. So, you know, maybe that's what these people need to do. Let's send a hundred Black Lives Matter flags to Oregon and let's give them the Black Lives Matter flags.
They can chant Black Lives Matter as they take the capital back and then the police will give them a red carpet treatment, give them everything they want. So it looks like they're removing the covering off of some war memorial perhaps here. This is incredible to watch. We're going to be monitoring this. I've got guests coming up. I haven't even gotten into this news, all the COVID hoax news. I mean, you know, it's a hoax. It's just more of the total proof that it's a hoax.
Like, for example, in Denmark, they had no shutdown, no mask mandate, and then they instituted mask mandates in August. And you can see the graph here. So as soon as they instituted mask mandates, COVID numbers shot way up and then they doubled down on it, saying you had to wear a mask everywhere. And then the COVID numbers went from basically nothing to all-time highs. The mask spreads COVID. The mask spreads COVID. Of course it does. If you walk around all day sticking your fingers in your mouth and your nose, you're probably going to get a virus.
Well, imagine now you're walking around with your fingers in your nose all day long in the form of a face mask. Yeah. It spreads disease.
All right. We're going to continue to monitor this situation. We got big guests coming up. Don't go anywhere, folks.
Folks, if you are listening to this transmission and you are in Oregon, you need to get to your state capitol now and fight with these patriots. And think about think about this. If the media even covers this, which they probably won't, but imagine for months, for an entire summer, the mainstream media celebrated the Democrat terrorism. They celebrated the autonomous zones. They celebrated the riots. They celebrated the looting, the arson, the death, all of it. They celebrated all of it. So how are they going to cover this?
Oh, you watch. They'll say this is bad, they'll say it's racist, they'll say all the things, even though this is an actual righteous, peaceful protest.
So more people continue to ascend upon the Oregon State Capitol. They are trying to get inside and take it. Oh, yeah, look at this. So here's how they're covering it.
Heavily armed, far-right mob floods Oregon capital. So you wait. So this is bad. So an actual peaceful, righteous protest is bad, but Black Lives Matter and antifa, burning buildings, murdering people, looting around the clock, they don't even. That's the greatest thing ever. That's righteous. That's granted. But this is bad even though this is the real revolution right here. So I invite Black Lives Matter to join these patriots.
I invite antifa to join these patriots. It's your capitol building too. You may hate America, but it's still yours. If you choose to destroy it, so be it. We choose to bring it back. We choose to return power to the individual.
This is just so stunning. And I am just — I hope that if we see this act in Oregon, with patriots taking the capital, if we see this replicated in all 50 states, I hope that the police and the law enforcement and those state capitals don't make the awful mistake that those in Oregon just did to aim themselves against the people and to target themselves as an enemy of we the people.
Again, this is the craziest thing. You have, the police have been totally politicized. One side of the aisle wants to kill the police. The other side of the aisle wants to stand with the police. And the police are actively going after the people that have their back. And you're witnessing it in real time. Yeah. Boy, how are you going to feel as a police officer? You think it's bad now when the whole media and the Democrat Party is against you? How is it going to feel when we, the people, the conservatives, the patriots, the Trump supporters that have had your back, how is it going to feel when we hate you? And if we see this happen again, whether it's in Oregon or Washington or Texas or Missouri or Florida or wherever, and we see police attacking innocent patriots, where in the same city you let leftists come, tear down buildings, murder, loot, destroy, take autonomous zones, and you don't say boo, and then we show up and peacefully protest and you attack us? How do you think it's going to feel when you have the entire planet against you?
We're your only hope and you're aiming yourselves against us and, you know, it's sad because this all by design, by the Chi-coms and the Democrats, and you're falling right into their trap.
But I have a feeling. I have a feeling what you're seeing today in Oregon is just the beginning, folks. I think 2021 is going to look a lot like this.
And I don't really talk about it because I just don't want to put any fuel to their fire, but I mean, they're still trying to arrest me for calling out Nadler, folks. OK. So, I mean. I'm telling you, this is — I just — this is just so incredible, man. This is just so incredible to see. I mean, my heart, my soul, everything is with these patriots in Oregon today and it just makes me sick to see the police that we have stood for, stood up for and defended for the last year of the onslaught and attack and vicious lies about them, and now they're being aimed against us. But again, if you want to spark off a revolution, you give the revolutionaries a physical target and the police better realize that they're being lined up as that physical target.
Not what we want. We love the police. But you better get out of our way.
Citation From the December 21, 2020, edition of Infowars' The Alex Jones Show
OWEN SHROYER (HOST): The police in Salem, Oregon, better stand down because we the people are standing up and you let the Democrats and their militant wing run roughshod over this country, rioting for an entire summer, billions of property damage, no arrests. And now you're actually stopping peaceful protests by patriots. And it just has me sick.
And we're joined now by Ivan Raiklin, who wants to talk about the latest updates when it comes to stopping the steal of this election.
And you know, I'll be honest, folks, in my heart and mind, I've already played out this hand a billion times.
And I'm going to be honest, I believe the only path to victory is what we're seeing in Oregon. I don't think our politicians are going to do anything. I love Lin Wood. I love Sidney Powell. Ivan's shaking his head. We may disagree. I think this is our only path to victory. I mean, it's revolution, man. They just stole our election and the whole mainstream media is going along with it.
Shroyer’s rhetoric about the police specifically echoes a Proud Boys stream from last week following protests in Washington D.C., where Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has confessed to burning a Black Lives Matter banner ripped from a historic Black church. On a livestream discussing the protests, members of the “gang” complained at length about police in the cities and at one point one of them warned that “if it comes down, me or you, like, it's going to be me.”
Citation From a December 17, 2020, stream of War Boys
JOE BIGGS: What do you guys think about what happened this week, and I'll start with you, Rufio, and where we're at today?
“RUFIO PANMAN": Well, so -- it's -- I got in there Thursday. You know, we got settled in, kind of met with leadership and how it was going to look. And then Friday, we had our security brief that we walked into D.C. -- and kind of got to see how many people we were dealing with a little bit, which was a huge crowd. I mean, I don't think I've ever looked backwards at the front of a crowd and saw, you know, an endless sea of black and yellow. It was very, very impressive, especially for a rally setting.
But, yeah, everything went well Friday. And then come Saturday, you know, we're getting geared up, ready to go, kind of getting everybody, you know, getting the lowdown on what we're going to -- what we're going to expect and, you know, where we're going from there. And so we started marching out towards like, the main rally where everybody was. And there's other patriot groups and everybody else was, you know, at this location. So we got there with about, I want to say, over a thousand people, proud boys mostly. And we looked really good. You know, everything was going good. It was -- it was basically towards the end of the day when it started getting dark, where people started to get separated. There was a lot of --
BIGGS: It comes the Friday night? Or the Saturday when I got there?
“RUFIO PANMAN": Saturday. Right. So basically what happens is, is there's a lot of bad intel, like, oh, there's you know, there's proud boys over here. There's patriots over here surrounded by antifa. So, what do proud boys do? They go run to try and help. And we got a lot of that information going around, you know, and unfortunately, that was what separated a lot of us.
BIGGS: Some true, some false.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Yeah, some true, some false. Overall, it was -- you know, it was a really, really, really big event. And here's a thing. There's a lot of naysayers, you know, with this kind of event, that they see -- oh, man, proud boys burning a black -- Black Lives Matter flag, or whatever, sign. And they freak out. They lose their minds. Oh, we're supposed to be better than that. You know, at what point are we allowed to be a little angry? What point are we allowed to just say, you know what, we're done with this. No more free speech for Black Lives Matter, no more free speech for antifa, because they certainly don't give a damn about us. They certainly want to destroy everything that we've created. And everybody wants to hold everybody, you know, like us to a high standard of what we aren't and what we're not allowed to do, or what we are and what we aren't allowed to do. And I'm, quite frankly, getting sick of it.
I'm tired of the cops telling us where we can and can't walk on public property, that put us in danger, that pin, you know, some of our people over onto antifa’s side --
BIGGS: Yeah, that happened a lot.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Yeah, I have to go spend now extra time securing their safety, getting them away from the threat. And the cops, they look at you and they don't care. They say, oh, that's not my problem. Well guess what, you're getting paid and I'm not. So you know what? It is your problem now, because let's just be honest, if I wanted to storm those lines with the amount of people that I had, I could have done it right then and there. And I was just about to, because the safety of -- of our group --
BIGGS: Our group --
“RUFIO PANMAN”: -- was put more in jeopardy with -- with police than it was without. So there's a lot of problems that we're facing, you know, as far as optics go, and as far as dealing with police on the streets, and as far as just dealing with the basic obstacles of running a rally, that I -- I think people need to take into consideration when seeing a lot of the optics that they saw. And you're not going to see a lot of the good -- there's a lot of good, cool stuff that you don't -- you didn't get to see.
BIGGS: Yeah.
Citation From a December 17, 2020, stream of War Boys
ENRIQUE TARRIO: I think people are now -- there's something and I've said this a couple of times, I think the amazing part about this -- this election, or this fucking lack of an election, is that people have come together and have realized what's important. You know, the unity was -- was fucking unreal there. The camaraderie between the boys was unreal. There was a lot -- a lot that went on that was amazing.
But there's a lot that -- there's a lot of new people, new -- new enemies that -- that we didn't see before, and I think we've been crying about it for -- for a little bit.
Not crying, we've been -- we've been talking about it for a little bit. And like these people that want to demonize us, they first, you know, the first step was silencing us on social media, then the financial stuff. And now we're talking about like agencies and things like that, trying to put pressure on -- and I genuinely believe that when Biden takes office, I think -- I think that pressure is going to come in and we're -- we're going to become the enemies of the Democrats at that point.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: I mean, I've been seeing this more and more, especially in the PN -- the Pacific Northwest.
One thing that I'm really fed up with, and a lot of people, you know, with the criticisms I'd like to throw back in their face, be like, you know, what do -- what do police officers use when somebody is breaking the law? They use violence, they use force, in essence, right?
So what do we do when -- when the police officers are breaking the law? Nothing. We don't do anything, right? Back the blue. Back the blue. Back the blue. But now we're seeing it’s deeper than that.
We’re -- we're seeing with this election fraud, we're seeing that as we're trying to take our street back and just protect people for expressing their First Amendment right, that these cops are -- their priority is to protect federal, you know, basically federal land over protecting your life.
“NOBLEBEARD”: Yup.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Like, I see the priority in protecting buildings and materials over human life, over American life like this. And this is the thing, and I don't want to see --I'm not -- I don't want to seem like I'm coming out against, like, -- I hate cops. There's a lot of good cops out there, you know, I know a lot of good cops.
But what I'm seeing when we're there on the front line, putting our own security, I mean, like we got beard on here right now. As -- perfect example, guy got stabbed, almost died a few times. And we're sitting here debating how we looked. You know what I mean? It's really getting old that, you know, people like, “Well, I don't like how you handled that.” Well, you know, if the cops did their fucking job, we wouldn't be in this conversation right now.
JOE BIGGS: Well, you’re also not here.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: We’d -- we’d be waving American flags and we would go home. No problems at all. But they're not doing their job. And they need to be told that. People need to understand this. The reason why Proud Boys is out there in the first place, is because they're letting you down. They're letting us down, on more -- in more areas than one. And so, you know, until that happens and start -- they, until they start doing their job, it's going to get uglier. It's going to look bad, because violence doesn't look good, you know what I mean? But it's necessary. And that's what people need to realize. It's -- there's -- there's a line in the sand right now, and it's been drawn a long time ago.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Yeah, brother.
BIGGS: But the crazy thing too -- the crazy thing too, those -- the FBI has put out that they’re investigating this whole, you know, banner burning thing. You know, meanwhile, BLM has burned, looted and murdered in cities, destroyed cities, destroyed businesses, family owned businesses, literally destroyed lives and people's future. A few guys took banners away from a building, put it in the middle of the street so it would not do damage to any structure and lit it on fire as a protest. Now, let's go back and caveat. During the 2016 elections in Philadelphia, I was at the DNC. I saw numerous groups like the Revolutionary Communist Party take down flags, American flags and burn them in the streets. Nothing happened. I've seen BLM grab Trump signs. I've seen antifa grab Trump signs, light them on fire, shit on them, piss on them. Nothing happens.
Two fucking banners get taken down and the SPLC decides to write an article. The FBI is conducting investigations. That shows you just how fucked up shit is.
“NOBLEBEARD”: God damn right.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Yep.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: More and more, man. More and more, Biggs. I mean, we're seeing, you know, the -- the general public is coming up to us and sees us for what we are now. You know what I mean? The general public is coming up to us and giving us all the thanks and praise in the world. They -- they're actually at the realization that this organization is -- is not what the SPLC and these other bullshit organizations like the ADL, you know, make us out to be, you know what I mean? What -- what the deal is with law enforcement, these guys are out there following people like Browser's unlawful orders. You know what I mean?
What we need is law enforcement to differentiate, you know, a lawful order from an unlawful order, an unlawful order. You know what I mean? They're out there, you know. I mean, it's, you know, just like the Nuremberg trials, man. I mean, shit, you know, these guys were just following orders and shit. If these guys, these law enforcement officers are going to go out there and just follow these orders, I mean, you know, eventually, you know, there's going to come a time when -- when -- when we, or the people in general, because the people are coming to this realization, you know what I mean? The people are coming to the realization that this organization is out there doing what we should all be doing. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, law enforcement, man, I mean, you got --
BIGGS: The thin blue line is getting thinner.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Exactly.
BIGGS: It is. It is. And that's why I keep telling people the thin blue line is getting thinner. We've got to go out there and be a beacon, you know, and we're inspiring people to get up off their ass. Look. We can't be bootlickers, you know. Yes, there's good cops, you go around through the flyover states like they call it, but when you go to these places like Atlanta, D.C., Philadelphia, Seattle, Portland, these cops are literally just following orders.
They don't care, you know, and the cops, the good cops, what they need to do is stand up, just like BLM goes, oh, we're not out there doing the stuff at night time. We're out there peacefully marching during the day. Well, there's people using your name. They go out in the middle of the night to conduct fucking looting, arson and murder. You need to separate yourself and go, “I'm not part of that. I disassociate myself from that. I disavow those types of actions. And that has nothing to do with us.”
And the good police officers who actually stand for the Constitution, either do the same thing. The police officers in Philadelphia, the police officers in DC, the police officers in Portland and Seattle, we don't stand with them. They're not doing the right thing. They took an oath, the same oath as me. And I promise you, as a police officer in Volusia County, you know, or whatever, that I will stand for the Constitution, that I will not adhere to any unconstitutional mask mandates or weapon grabs or anything like that that the government puts out.
We need to see cops stand up and pick a side, because right now you need to fucking pick the side you're going to be on. Because when it comes down to a total war, if it does, guess what? It's more of us than there is of any other people. And you want to be on the side of the people that are going to have your back.
“NOBLEBEARD”: Well, and that's the thing. Don't turn your backs. I said this in a post last week, was the police need to stop turning their backs on the only people that have had theirs.
BIGGS: Yep.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Yep.
“NOBLEBEARD”: When they're -- you know, when they're out, we're out there. I heard guys start to chant “back the blue,” I said, no, no, no, no, no. No, we're not doing that. We're not doing that this weekend. They’re not -- They're not earned that. They got to earn our trust and our respect --
BIGGS: Yep.
“NOBLEBEARD”: And they got to earn our love.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Damn right.
“NOBLEBEARD”: They’re not -- and so, you know -- so, the most -- most of what you're going to find, Biggs, is the people like that, like you're talking about, are going to be sheriffs.
BIGGS: Yeah.
“NOBLEBEARD”: Sheriffs, elected, those are going to be the ones that we could count on when the shit goes down.
BIGGS: Yeah, those guys are always cool.
“NOBLEBEARD”: Police are there, the police officers are generally there for a paycheck and a pension. And they don't give a shit about anything in between. One of the DC lieutenants, I didn't catch his name and I wouldn’t put it out there anyways. I pulled him aside, he turned his camera off and I had a conversation with him Saturday night, Saturday night.
And I said, why are you blocking us from getting to them? You know what they're out here doing. Let us clean it up. Let us handle it.
He said, “I don't know why you guys are here.” He said, “antifa’s not here.” Of course, we were waiting for the sewer rat to come back from a little fucking journey that he was on. We’re all standing around there waiting, and he’s like, “Don’t be here,” said “Antifa’s not here, you know where they’re at, go get them.”
BIGGS: Yeah.
“NOBLEBEARD”: So, some of them were on our side.
ENRIQUE TARRIO: Yeah, I -- I always say and I think it's more now, I always it like, I support police officers individually, the thin blue line thing. That's it. There's no there's no thin for me. It just -- it's nonexistent. I was -- I was pulling off thin blue line patches off our guys most of the weekend.
BIGGS: Yeah, I took mine off.
TARRIO: You can't -- you can’t -- you can't hold -- you --
“RUFIO PANMAN”: No, you don’t get to wear that flag and boast that shit, after you do nothing and watch people get beat up in the streets while people who aren't getting paid are doing your job.
ENRIQUE TARRIO: It doesn't mean that -- it doesn't mean, and I think, I think most of you guys are being fair --
BIGGS: But you are getting paid, you’re making millions, right? I thought you’re a grifter, you’re all getting fat paychecks, like fucking grifter pay, man.
TARRIO: Super fat paycheck.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Yeah dude, I'm loaded.
TARRIO: I'm loaded. I’m loaded. I'm loaded with shit here, loaded with fucking bills. But the truth is, like, I still respect, you know, their line. I still respect their work. You know, if you noticed that when we're marching, I always -- like when we had like a police line in front of us, I always like to have like ten, twenty feet away from them, just to -- so we won't be pushed up on them and make them nervous. So we did -- we did have that.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: We're not assholes, but at the same time, I don't depend on them for nothing. And if anything, I'm about ready to just, like, storm their lines because you know what? I'm like. You know, if it comes down, me or you, like, it's going to be me.
TARRIO: Yeah.
BIGGS: Now Rufio, Rufio, you're making terroristic threats right now.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Yeah, well, sorry.
BIGGS: Somebody’s gonna start sending you dick pics over it.
TARRIO: You know, somebody -- somebody on the chat’s talking about --
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Don’t threaten him with a good time.
TARRIO: Somebody on the chat’s talking about like New York cops, New York Cops have always been fucking pretty much assholes to us since day one. So there is -- there is good cops, there is good police stations. There's --
“RUFIO PANMAN”: They’re like rural areas, you know, like not city cops.
TARRIO: But it's fucking -- it's fucking retarded to think that, like, these people won't turn on you, on -- at the drop of a dime. I try to pass on, like, if we're somewhere, I try to tell them, hey, we're here, blah, blah, we're moving there. And I think I had less of that interaction this time because I just don't -- I don't -- I don't trust them to do -- to do their job. I just don't, you know.
BIGGS: Well, that's -- that's our issue right now with the police. That's what people understand. It's always defund the police, defund the police, this and that.
But what we have in the cities is we have cops who live in suburbs who are being, you know, stationed in cities, to work around people that they're not used to working around, and they're also not individuals within their community.
If we were to get back to, like, how the sheriff's department is and smaller police forces throughout flyover states, these are police officers who live within the community. That police officer knows you, your wife, your kids. You guys eat at the same restaurants. You all know each other. You have a fucking relationship. And when it comes time for him to come up, he's like, oh, you've been drinking again. Come on, dude, let's not do that again. You know, if I have to, I'll put you in jail. But this time, you know, I'm just going to give you a warning. These cops don't have any relationship within the communities that they're policing and therefore they have no emotional connection or family connection or anything like that or human connection. It's just like these are dudes that I have to arrest and I have a quota to make and I got to give out speeding tickets, and I'm going to go back to the suburbs where it's nice or whatever. There's none of that community policing and we got to get back to that. If you live in the city, you need to be a cop in the city. If you live in the suburbs, you need to be a cop in the suburbs, you need to be a cop in the spot where you live.
The Proud Boys is a far-right organization with links to white supremacist movements, including the violent “Unite the Right” white nationalist rallies in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 and 2018. Last year in New York City, two members of the Proud Boys were sentenced to four years in prison for an attack against counter-protesters outside a 2018 event at the Metropolitan Republican Club in Manhattan. Tarrio himself has encouraged members to bring bear mace with them to demonstrations and boasted earlier this year about praise from Trump while hinting at violence. (Per a Daily Dot report, “Rufio Panman” is “best known for his appearance in Oregon-based, far-right group Patriot Prayer propaganda recruitment video in which he knocks out someone identified as anti-fascist. His real name is reportedly Ethan Nordean.")
In recent months, Shroyer, who has a long history of pushing conspiracy theories, has issued escalating calls for violence. Following President Donald Trump’s loss in the 2020 election, Shroyer argued in November that Democrats and members of the mainstream media “deserve” to be the targets of mass violence if Trump is not allowed to have a second term. He added that he would be happy to broadcast the violence for Infowars. In August, Shroyer said that former President Barack Obama is guilty of treason and has “a rope destined for his neck.”