From the November 6 edition of Fox News' Tucker Carlson Tonight:
TUCKER CARLSON (HOST): Look, I disagree with Ed Gillespie's views on immigration, very strongly.
JUAN WILLIAMS: Okay.
CARLSON: So, I -- but, because I'm way to the right of him on immigration because it actually is a threat. It's a great thing in other ways, but in some ways it is a threat, and MS-13 is one manifestation of that.
It's real, and there's nothing racist about saying that. And if we make that off limits, if we call people names for telling the truth, then we can't have an honest conversation about it.