TUCKER CARLSON (HOST): What is this about? It's not just some random response happening around the country, it's part of some larger vision. What's the vision?
HEATHER MAC DONALD: Well, it's a very bizarre moment, Tucker. This is not a good look for government. It's made the biggest policy mistake in the nation's history, probably setting us on a depression that is going to take a generation to recover from, and rather than immediately reverse course, as it has become so apparent how unnecessary this shutdown is, it's arresting the law-abiding and letting the criminals go free.
This is a way to undermine all remaining legitimacy in government. The left is seizing this opportunity to achieve a host of long-standing policy goals, whether it's decriminalization and deincarceration, or getting rid of the SATs, but the point is, this is completely unnecessary. Not only were the lockdowns unnecessary, we know that, we knew that going into them really, they affect the elderly, infirm, not the rest of us. You don't need to release criminals from prison. You can segregate them, segregate the elderly. If there is an --a terrible, terrible outbreak, provide stand up hospitals, hospital ships, but what this really is about is trying to reverse the traditional order of who government protects, and criminalize lawful commercial activity.
CARLSON: Why? Why would you want to do that? That's so perverse. Is this -- I mean, clearly, this is an effort, if you take three steps back, to destroy society because society is, I mean, defined by order, that's why we have a society, to maintain order. Why would people want to do that?
MAC DONALD: I think there is such a deep hatred of American freedom, of prosperity, of capitalism, of law-abiding, bourgeois values, and the left is seizing this moment. Pelosi has a federal jailbreak provision in the recent stimulus bill that the Democrats have put out. It is truly based on hatred, I think, and also, the longer we can go on with these economic shutdowns, the more dependent citizens you create.
CARLSON: Well, that's right. That's exactly right, so you then have a nation of people waiting for a government check, and that increases their power of the people issuing the check.