Tucker Carlson says the message of Nick Fuentes is that the conservative establishment are lying to their supporters: “They don’t care enough or at all about you and they have an obligation to”
Tucker Carlson: “If Trump voters knew who was paying for everything, they'd be like, 'Wait, I have nothing in common with you at all.' And now I think they're starting to figure that out.”
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From the November 24, 2025, edition of Vigilance Elite's The Shawn Ryan Show
SHAWN RYAN (HOST): What do you think the Republican Party is going to turn into after this?
TUCKER CARLSON (GUEST): I don't know. I mean, of course, you know, it's the -- well, it's the party in power right now. It's an amazing amount of power and amount of money, and there's a lot at stake. I mean, we shouldn't underestimate just how powerful a political party is. You can be against political parties, but they run America. So, okay, there's that. So, maybe you shouldn't ignore them. Maybe you should engage. I don't want to because I dislike them too much and I dislike the people, but I'm glad that there are some people fighting for the soul of the party, whatever that means. Well, I know what it means. It means restating out loud why we're here. And we're here to make the country better for the people who live in it. Not for a foreign country, whatever that country is, and not for your donors, but for most people or everybody -- kind of try at least a little bit.
And that is the argument right now. Does the Republican Party exist to help its voters -- every voter actually, every citizen -- or does it exist for some other boutique, corrupt reason like serving a foreign government, serving your donors? And I just do think that's the argument. I think that's the argument that Trump started when he ran in 2015. It was not about 'Make America Great Again,' which everyone is for. Who wouldn't be for that? It's about America First, which is the idea behind MAGA. America First. Just put your country first. If you're its leader, you don't have to put America first. You're just a citizen. But if you're running the country, you have a moral obligation to put its citizens before all others. It's not a controversial idea. It's the only idea.
But there are an awful lot of Republican leaders -- every Republican voter pretty much agrees with that. But Republican leaders are -- and not just elected leaders, but, though, certainly them -- but, like, the whole constellation of nonprofits and publications and 'we're conservative' and like, okay, you can call yourself whatever you want, but what are you -- what does that mean? And now we're getting to the definitional part of the argument. What are you talking about?
'Make America great again.' How? What are your priorities? 'Shut up!' And they're screaming because they've been exposed as liars and everybody knows they're liars. And, by the way, that's the Fuentes. That's the actual Fuentes message. I'm not an expert of Fuentes, okay? I interviewed him. But from what I could tell, he is angry because he feels that the conservative establishment, you know, Ben Shapiro all the way up to some idiot Republican senator, all of them are telling the same lie: 'We're on your side.' But they're not. That is -- there's nothing more legitimate than that. That is true.
I would know. I've been involved for 40 years. I know every single person. That's true. They're corrupt. They don't care that much or enough or at all about you and they have an obligation to.
So that's the debate underway. And everyone on the other side would love to make it about 'Why do you hate the Jews?' Well, I don't hate the Jews. It's not about the Jews, whatever that is. It's about the country. And, so, I'm fervently hoping that the America First people win. I fervently am hoping, and I think they will.
Have you ever been around Republican donors?
RYAN: Have I been around Republican donors?
CARLSON: You've probably never met a Republican donor.
RYAN: Oh, I'm sure I have, but I don't know, I mean --
CARLSON: They're not all bad. Some nice people. But in general -- if Trump voters knew who was paying for everything, they'd be like, 'Wait, I have nothing in common with you at all.' And now I think they're starting to figure that out.