JAMES POULOS (GUEST): People understand that we're moving toward a social credit system in this country. And, you know, there -- some of the people at the top, they really, I think, are convinced that the only way we can beat China is if we build our own social credit system and if it's even more powerful than theirs. I don't think that's true. But I think, you know, people can tell that we're being sort of herded in this direction, into a kind of, you know, cyborg vivarium. And once we get in there, it's not going to be America anymore.