Daily Wire host on Candace Owens: “I fear for her soul because I think something's wrong with her”
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From the December 12, 2025, edition of The Daily Wire's The Andrew Klavan Show
ANDREW KLAVAN (HOST): I'm going to be blunt about this, and I'm gonna talk in member block. I'm going to talk a little bit more about Candace and what's going on with TPUSA. I don't think people should debate Candace Owens. I mean, I don't think it should be forbidden. I just don't think it's useful. I think the things that she is saying are completely baseless. That is my take on them. I've listened to them carefully. I think most of what she's saying is baseless about TPUSA and a lot of other things as well.
But the reason I don't think you can debate Nick Fuentes — people are always saying to me, debate Nick Fuentes. And I always think, what's the debate? Is the debate, is hate better than love? I mean, because he goes on shows and he says, I'm not a bigot. I'm not a bigot. You know? He is. He's an open racist, which is fine. You know? Let him be an open racist, but I have nothing to say to that. Because the question about racism is not whether the races are different, it's whether the races deserve equal treatment and love. That's the question. And if you don't believe that, I don't know what to say to you. You know? I have no argument against that. You know? I'm just like, how can I tell you that — why love is better than hate or freedom is better than slavery or a woman is not a man? There's no way to tell you that. Those are things you just have to know. And Nick doesn't know them in my opinion, and I don't think — and Candace, I fear for that woman, truly. I fear for her soul because I think something's wrong with her. But, like, you know, how how do I know?
So I don't think they should debate them at all. You know, I don't know why they decide — they did say they would debate her, and then they said, we won't debate you except in person. I don't know what their considerations were. I would have second thoughts. I have told people who have said they would debate her. I've told them that don't do it, because you have to have — what is a debate? A debate is two people who know something, who have expertise in something, debating to try and find the the best answer. You have to be willing to lose a debate to debate well. You have to know something to debate well, and you have to be willing to accept, you know, listen to other people. And I don't think these people qualify for that, and so I don't think you should debate them at all.