MELISSA FRANCIS (CO-HOST): I wouldn't give the president the out though that he hired a terrible lawyer. I mean, he hired someone as a fixer who was a thug, and who roughed people up. Both from a -- whether it was reporters are all the other things that [Fox News anchor] Bret Baier mentioned, that was intentional and for a reason. That's why he had that guy in his inner circle. But I think, tragically, all of these people that we talk about in politics are not great people. I mean, you look at the Clintons, you look at the president, and if you look back at -- we just went through George H.W. Bush and we talked about what a great person he was. He was a less-effective politician, maybe because he was a good guy. I think this is all a state about -- a statement about what it takes to win in politics.

TOM DUPREE (FORMER U.S. ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL): The other thing I would add is that you don't need a fixer if you're not getting yourself into situations that need to be fixed in the first place. 

FRANCIS: Exactly. The Clintons have fixers, the people that are powerful in politics have them because they're not great people.

Previously: 

Fox News regular Brad Blakeman: “Michael Cohen's crimes are personal to him. They're not in connection with ... the president”

Fox News desperately insists Michael Cohen’s (other) guilty plea means “absolutely nothing”

Sean Hannity on Michael Cohen: If you “were close to Donald Trump in some way, they're going to put the screws to you”