On the November 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, former Los Angeles Police Department detective and Fox News contributor Mark Fuhrman asserted that the type of “people” he “dealt with ... for 20 years” will “kill somebody and go have some chicken at KFC. You will catch them eating chicken and drinking a beer after they just murdered three people.” Fuhrman added that “these people are out there. They're all over the place.” Fuhrman's comments came during a discussion about O.J. Simpson's controversial new book, If I Did It (ReganBooks), to be released at the end of the month, and upcoming Fox special about the book, in which Simpson apparently describes, hypothetically, how he would have murdered his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman.
Later in the broadcast, co-host Alan Colmes challenged Fuhrman on his comments, asking him: "[Y]ou said, in the last segment, that these people will go and kill someone and go have chicken at KFC -- who are you talking about?" Fuhrman replied that he was “talking about a murderer, whether they're white, black, or Caucasian; or they're Mexican. It doesn't make any difference.” Colmes persisted, asking, "[D]o you think that comment could be interpreted as a racist comment -- they go have chicken at KFC?" Fuhrman replied that he “used to eat chicken at KFC,” then accused Colmes of having “a chip on your shoulder.” Fuhrman continued: “The problem is, Alan, is you're talking about things that you don't have any knowledge of. None. You've never been on the street. You've never been out there,” concluding, “O.J. Simpson. He loves you right now -- I hope you like that -- because you are doing exactly what he wants. You are flipping everything around to 1994 where he got a bum rap because of racism.”
Fuhrman, who since leaving the LAPD has become an author, was convicted of perjury for, as noted by CBS News, “denying [during his testimony in the Simpson murder trial] that he had ever used racial slurs.” When Colmes questioned Fuhrman as to whether his “racist” testimony bore “any relation to the acquittal of O.J. Simpson,” Fuhrman refused to answer the question, stating, “I'm not on the hot seat, Alan.”
From the November 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: How do you know that, though? Wait a minute, how do you -- I mean, let's think about this. If you know you did something like this --
FUHRMAN: Sean, because I've dealt with --
HANNITY: -- how do you wake up in the morning and not be reminded every waking, conscious moment -- you know the truth.
FUHRMAN: Yes, I -- yes, I do, Sean, but I'm going to tell you this right now --
HANNITY: Well, he does too.
FUHRMAN: Sean, I'm going to tell you this right now. I dealt with people like this for 20 years. They will get up every day. They will kill somebody and go have some chicken at KFC. You will catch them eating chicken and drinking a beer after they just murdered three people. Sean, these people are out there. They're all over the place.
COLMES: Hey, Mark, let me ask you a question. You -- you got into some controversy during your testimony. They tried to paint you as a racist and tear you apart because of what you said. Does that bear any relation to the acquittal of O.J. Simpson? Do you think anything you said and the way you were treated --
FUHRMAN: Oh, who cares, Alan? That's apples and oranges now. Now, we're talking about a guy that's going to make $3 million to come and play a fairytale for you about, “If I did do it, this” --
COLMES: I'm asking you a question, though, about whether your testimony bears any --
FUHRMAN: Well, I'm not answering that question, Alan. I'm not on the hot seat, Alan.
COLMES: I'm asking you a simple question.
FUHRMAN: This is O.J. Simpson's day. I know -- I'm not answering it. I'm done answering that.
COLMES: You -- you said, in the last segment, that these people will go and kill someone and go have chicken at KFC -- who are you talking about?
FUHRMAN: That's right. I'm talking about a murderer, whether they're white, black, or Caucasian, or they're Mexican. It doesn't make any difference; they have no emotion. You've never seen one, Alan. That's why you wrote that chapter in your book that said he's innocent.
COLMES: Do you think what you said -- do you think that comment could be interpreted as a racist comment -- they go have chicken at KFC?
FUHRMAN: I used to eat chicken at KFC. Alan, you know something? You've got a chip on your shoulder, and you want to find something wrong with everything that somebody --
COLMES: I don't have a chip on my shoulder. You're the one who won't answer my question about whether your testimony had anything to do with the acquittal of O.J. Simpson.
FUHRMAN: Alan, you haven't -- Alan -- Alan, you haven't asked a decent question yet.
COLMES: Well, maybe I haven't gotten a decent answer.
FUHRMAN: That's right, and you won't. So, keep asking.
COLMES: What's your -- your -- I've got the chip on the shoulder, Mark? What's your problem?
FUHRMAN: Yes. The problem is, Alan, is you're talking about things that you don't have any knowledge of. None. You've never been on the street. You've never been out there. You weren't at the crime scene. You know nothing about O.J. Simpson. You know nothing about the evidence. You are just playing on your emotion and the way you want it to be.
COLMES: Mark, I am simply asking you questions tonight.
FUHRMAN: And wait a minute, Alan. Wait a minute, Alan.
COLMES: I'm sorry that you've got a chip on your shoulder and can't give me a straight answer to a question.
FUHRMAN: Well, fine, Alan. Alan, that's fine. I got a chip on my shoulder. You satisfied? Now, let's move on to a real question.
COLMES: Why do you have a chip on your shoulder?
FUHRMAN: People like you, Alan.
COLMES: You want to make it personal to me?
FUHRMAN: Well, Alan, you know, I came on this show to talk about something that I thought had value. You want to turn it on -- go back to 1994. This is O.J. Simpson. He loves you right now -- I hope you like that -- because you are doing exactly what he wants. You are flipping everything around to 1994 where he got a bum rap because of racism.
COLMES: This all was about 1994, and what happened then, and the fact that he got acquitted, and that he is now walking the street, which results in exactly what we're talking about here tonight.
FUHRMAN: No, it isn't, Alan. It's about somebody that has no remorse for killing his children's mother. You missed that. You've missed that part, Alan.
HANNITY: Mark, you did your job. The evidence was overwhelming in this case.
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