PBD Podcast host Patrick Bet-David pleads for Trump to stop calling Epstein files “a hoax”
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From the September 5, 2025, edition of PBD Podcast, streamed on YouTube
TOM ELLSWORTH (PANELIST): And so I look at it as that people are realizing the depth of what happened here. And I think that there's a deal. It's like, why does Ghislaine go from one prison down to the --
VINCENT OSHANA (PANELIST): A lesser prison
ELLSWORTH: A lesser restrictive and a lesser harsh prison, by a lot of people's descriptions, that's in Texas? How did she move there? Was this part of the negotiation?
OSHANA: Todd Blanche.
ELLSWORTH: ‘I'll talk to you, I'll give you an interview, but you've got to move me to a little bit more comfortable prison.' They didn't sent her to a condo, they sent her to a prison. So Pat, it keeps getting worse. And that's what bothers me. What bothers me is more keeps coming out. It's not more people covering it --
PATRICK BET-DAVID (HOST): I can tell you, he just has to do one thing: stop calling it a hoax.
ELLSWORTH: Agree.
BET-DAVID: Stop, you know, trolling this topic because you're turning your own team against you. Keep saying ‘I've empowered Bondi. I've empowered Kash. I've empowered Anna Paulina. I've empowered them and whatever they come out with, we will release.' Stop calling it a hoax. You can't keep calling it a hoax.