KARA MCKINNEY (HOST): Welcome back to Tipping Point. I'm your host, Kara McKinney. One of the unmistakable hallmarks of tyranny is show trials. The Soviets had them. The Nazis had them. The Chinese Communist Party has them. Where there is tyranny, there are sham trials designed to legitimize it and it need not be governmental in nature. Trials may also be used to support the tyranny of public opinion or of culture. We're seeing all three times in America these days. The January six and Michigan kidnaping trials look more like political shows put on by the federal government with each passing day. Yesterday we talked about the Derek Chauvin trial, in which the tremendous weight of public opinion essentially predetermined the unjust murder conviction of a 20-year police veteran who did nothing but follow police procedures. And then there's the case of 20-year-old Alexander Jerich, who in June of 2021, just last year, was arrested for using his truck to leave burnt-out marks on a rainbow mural painted on a Palm Beach intersection. The mural had been unveiled days earlier as a memorial to the Orlando nightclub shooting victims five years prior. The guardians of gay victim culture won the book thrown at Jerich and prosecutors obliged by seeking 30 days in jail and five years of probation. But instead, a judge, Scott Suskauer, sentenced Jerich to a sort of reeducation program. He ordered the young man to write a 25-page-essay about the 2016 Pulse nightclub shooting and specified that Jerich research each of the 49 people who were killed, quote, "I want your own brief summary of why people are so hateful and why people lash out against the gay community," end quote. Now, the crazy thing is all evidence points to the shooting being motivated by Islamic extremism, specifically to ISIS as a lone wolf attack. Joining us now to discuss is the director of Jihad Watch, Robert Spencer. Thanks for being here tonight, Robert.
ROBERT SPENCER (Director, Jihad Watch): Thank you, Kara.
MCKINNEY: So this is the craziest story. It reminds me of the time that Central Park Karen woman was forced to take court-mandated white people bad courses, the same as January six defendants have also undergone, but in this case, wasn't the Orlando Pulse nightclub shooting an act of Islamic terror?
SPENCER: Yes, and of course, that kind of thing is just what the establishment media loves to cover up. The Pulse nightclub shooting is rare in that we have extensive statements from the shooter explaining why he was doing it. He called 911 several times during the shooting and told the dispatchers at 911 why he was shooting all these people and never once did he mention gays, never once did he mention anything about the nature of the place he was in. He only spoke about America's alleged atrocities in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan and said this was retaliation for that shoot those supposed terrible things that America did in those countries. And he likened himself to Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon bomber, and to other jihadis in the United States who did not target gays. So, there's really no reason to think that this was a shooting that had anything to do with the fact that this was a gay nightclub. It's just that that's what fits the narrative the establishment wants you to not know about Islamic Jihad terrorism and wants you to think that gays are harassed and persecuted in the United States.
MCKINNEY: And you're exactly right.
MCKINNEY: But also looking at the fact that the courts really came down on this guy for disrespecting the pride flag. It's funny that if he had burned the American flag, if he had joined 94 BLM with burning the American flag with, say, a pig's head on it with a cop hat on top of it, that's completely fine. Does this kind of show that perhaps it's this pride flag that's really the flag of the real regime, if you want to call it that, of the US?
SPENCER: Yeah, that's a very good observation and it very much is. That's what they value. They don't value the American flag, and so you're right, if Omar Mateen had spit on the American flag, torn it in pieces, and set it on fire, probably that wouldn't have even been mentioned. But, oh, he walks upon the gay flag. Well, then. But you know that having Samir Mateen, his father, in in the audience, right, very prominently visible on the cameras behind Hillary Clinton, that was a signal to someone. And yet we have no journalists now, you know, in the establishment media and nobody followed up. Nobody asked the question of the Clinton campaign, why was he put there? It's still not known what was going on there and how on earth he ended up there, who was being signaled, and why, and how, and this is the kind of thing that our journalistic establishments ought to be investigating. But really, of course, as you and I know, they're just a propaganda arm for the hard left.
MCKINNEY: That's exactly what they are at this point.