HAYES: You know what -- you know what I think is particularly interesting about this? If you go back and -- you remember to Bush's State of the Union? He had this whole passage about not returning to isolationism and to not being protective --
MATTHEWS: Yeah, that's new this year.
HAYES: -- and I thought -- yeah, and, you know, when I heard the State of the Union, my initial reaction to that was, who the heck is this guy talking about? It was out of the blue. It didn't --
MATTHEWS: Yes, who are these straw men?
HAYES: And it now looks as though he might have been right. I mean, he's got --
MATTHEWS: He's talking about [Rep.] Peter King [R-NY]. He's talking about all these guys.
HAYES: No, or [Republican Rep.] Sue Myrick from North Carolina who sent this, you know, two-sentence letter to the president a couple of days ago saying not only no, Mr. President, but hell no. You know, maybe he was actually right and sort of in front of the curve on that.
MATTHEWS: Well, he looks like he's a wise man now and a man of restraint, almost Atticus Finch. You know, almost the guy against the mob outside this -- the police station.