JOY REID (HOST): What is excessive scrolling, and was Media Matters excessively scrolling and faking the symmetry or the close association of content with Nazi stuff?
ANGELO CARUSONE (GUEST): I think that they're trying to describe just the general use of Twitter. That's what you do on Twitter. You look at your feed, and then it refreshes. And that's sort of -- just like they use the word manipulate the -- manipulate the public, but even their own statements acknowledge that everything we reported was completely accurate. So, you know, that's what I think they mean by it. They're just trying to make it sound dastardly. And, you know, in terms of the more broad issue here, the thing I would just point out is that this was one of many reports and we're not the only people to have this phenomena.
We've been pushing on this issue, specifically on pro-Nazi and sort of Hitler content since August. And X has been engaging, saying, "Hey, you know, we're going to fix this. We're ramping up our brand safety stuff." They're the ones making claims that they are preventing or supposed to be preventing ads from running alongside, adjacent to this kind of extremist content. So it doesn't really matter how we used it, how many times we hit refresh, ultimately the ads shouldn't be there in the first place because that's the standard that they're setting. And it shows that they're not doing the very thing they're saying and that's what the report was designed to illustrate.