JOE SCARBOROUGH (CO-HOST): So Suzanne, let me just, I'll go ahead and give an example of this that I don't think many people on TV have. But you sit around the dinner table, even with academics, and they will talk about the swimmer at Penn. The trans swimmer at Penn. And then they'll start saying, "Okay well, is that really, is that fair to young girls that grew up swimming?" And I said, well, why don't you have this discussion in your classrooms? "Oh, we couldn't have this discussion in our classroom." Well, why don't you have this discussion on television? "Oh, we couldn't have the discussion on television." And so, even putting that issue aside for another day —
MIKA BRZEZINSKI (CO-HOST): No, why can't we have discussions?
JOE SCARBOROUGH: — when somebody wants to have that discussion, talk about how there are stories like this where you can only express one side of the conversation or be canceled by polite society.
SUZANNE NOSSEL (GUEST): It’s a great example of a discussion that’s really hard to have right now, and that’s partly because look, transgender people are only becoming more accepted, more established, more recognized in society. They have steep hills to climb, face enormous discrimination, and so their notion is any questioning of their identity and their participation is sort of an affront to their right to exist, and at some level you can understand that. On the other hand, I think many people feel as you do, that this is a tough issue, that there are equities on both sides, that there's no perfect solution, and we ought to be able to talk about it.