MARTHA MACCALLUM (ANCHOR): So these reports that the president is not anywhere near conceding at this point, are they true, and do they hold up still tonight?
JASON MILLER (HOST): Well Martha, that’s not something that we are thinking about right at the moment. Right now, we are thinking about making sure that all the legal ballots have been counted for 2020 and that illegal ballots have not been counted. And I think there’s been a lot of talk about President Trump but I think it’s important for folks watching at home to realize how the elections have been changed in this year. And how this isn’t just about President Trump. This is about the Senate races coming up in Georgia and all elections going forward.
For those 71 million people who voted for President Trump last week, they want to know that this election was decided fairly and squarely. As we go state-by-state, they want to make sure the tabulations were right, that there weren’t dead people, for example, voting, that there weren't other illegalities that were happening. And let’s just pause for a moment, let’s make sure we get counting right before we go and press forward. But there also needs to be a serious conversation, Martha, about how Democrats have changed the entire nature of voting with these mass mail ballots.
MACCALLUM: So, I think everyone should be able to agree on one thing. One dead person who votes in the United States is one too many. That is the breach of the social contract that we all commit to and we want fair elections. So this idea that it’s okay around the edges, oh, this stuff happens, it goes on here and there. We really need to re-examine that and think about how important this process is and if we can’t get it right and dead people are voting and people who live in other places are voting and I’m not talking about people who are in college or military ballots, any of that. I’m talking about if it turns out to be the case, I think an examination of this is 100 percent warranted.
However, when you look at these vote differentials at this point, in Nevada, Joe Biden is up by 36,000. In Pennsylvania, up by 45,000. Do you believe tonight, Jason, that any of the revaluations will yield a different outcome in either of those states?
MILLER: I believe that as we reevaluate and go through, whether it’s in the recount process, or as we go through the constitutionality of some of the elections that were held at the state level that absolutely some of these states could change. And before they are certified we need to make sure that we are certifying the correct winner.
So let me go and take a little bit of a round-robin to make sure we understand the dynamics here. So in Georgia, we are most likely headed toward a mandatory recount. This election is very close. I do believe that especially since Georgia allowed ballot harvesting this go around, and we already have examples of dead folks voting. I’m taking a look here, here’s Louise Moss for one example. Who died a week before ballots went out this year. Also taking a look at Debra Jean Christiansen who allegedly voted and what’s unique about Ms. Christiansen even though she passed away, is that she didn’t actually -- someone used her identity to register to vote just this year even though she had passed away previously.
MACCALLUM: How do you know that, how do you know that happened?
MILLER: Because we’ve pulled the SSDI data. We’ve also bounced that up against the voter file and we have actually pulled their actual obituaries. So we’ve gone and compared that.
We are finding all these examples. This is really egregious.
MACCALLUM: The question is whether or not it’s a, sort of, programmatic effort. Whether what was suggested by the president, which is oh, late at night all of a sudden all these sort of votes flooded in, there was a Democrat effort at the highest levels to put all this vote together and to jam it in to make up the difference. And that’s what we — there’s no evidence that that happened in a programmatic, systematic way, is there Jason?
MILLER: Well, we do have some very specific pieces of evidence. So, for example, as we talk about in the state of Michigan, where we have already turned information to the eastern district of Michigan where there was a poll worker who was instructed, witnessed the instruction, for people to backdate ballots from back before the election. Again, that’s been turned over to the authorities.
MACCALLUM: That can’t happen.
MILLER: We have examples in Michigan. No, absolutely can’t happen. We have the fact of cured ballots, where maybe a ballot is maybe missing a signature, has an incorrect date in Pennsylvania that were then counted and comingled with uncured ballots so we can’t tell what was fixed, what was not fixed. And really the crux of that lawsuit that we have in Pennsylvania is essentially people who were Election Day voters were treated different from people who were mail-in voters. If you’re a mail-in voter, you could send that in after the election with no postmark and have it count the same as the one who showed up and voted on Election Day.