LOU DOBBS (HOST): Breaking news now: Dominion Voting Systems today once again distanced itself from Smartmatic, saying, “Dominion -- Dominion is an entirely separate company and fierce competitor to Smartmatic,” end quote. “Dominion and Smartmatic do not collaborate in any way and have no affiliate relationship or financial ties.” Yet in a 2009 lawsuit in which Smartmatic sued Dominion, a very clear relationship between the two companies was laid out. Quote, “The license agreement granted Smartmatic rights to certain patents and patent applications that Dominion owned or controlled to all know-how, trade secrets, methodologies, and other technical information owned or possessed by Dominion. The license agreement contains a non-competition provision. This provision limits Smartmatic's rights to develop, market or sell products that embody the licensed technology.” So despite what appears to have been at least a relationship and it is all but impossible to find any record of either proving or disproving a relationship because the two firms are privately owned, it becomes a thorny matter at the very least.
Also breaking now, defense attorney Sidney Powell today promised to pursue President Trump's legal challenge until the very end.
SIDNEY POWELL (FORMER TRUMP LAWYER): And I want the American public to know right now that we will not be intimidated. American patriots are fed up with the corruption from the local level to the highest level of our government, and we are going to take this country back, we are not going to be intimidated, we are not going to back down, we are going to clean this mess up now. President Trump won by a landslide. We are going to prove it, and we are going to reclaim the United States of America for the people who vote for freedom.
DOBBS: And joining us now by phone is Sidney Powell. She's a member, obviously, of the president's legal team, also Gen. Michael Flynn's defense attorney. A great American, one of the country's leading appellate attorneys. Sidney, first of all, thanks. I know you are going every which direction right now, busy as you could possibly be. Let's start out right now with the president's path to victory here as you and the legal team see it. If you could give us just that canvas very quickly.
POWELL: Well yes, Lou, the entire election frankly in all the swing states should be overturned, and the legislature should make sure that the electors are selected for Trump, and it's going to have to follow the constitutional provisions that it go be decided according to the amendment.
DOBBS: Let's turn to Smartmatic and Dominion. Are they or are they not linked?
POWELL: Oh, they're definitely linked. I would call them inextricably intertwined. They have the same history from their inception. I'm sure they're trying to distance themselves from each other but the fact is that the Dominion machines run the Smartmatic software, or parts of the key code of it. And that is what allows them to manipulate the votes in any way the operators choose to manipulate them. And every time there was a glitch, as they called it, or a connection to the internet, they also violated state laws that required the machines to be certified and nothing to be changed before the vote. There are any number of legal grounds on which the use of those machines has to be stopped and the votes invalidated.
DOBBS: And now are you pressing forward with legal action against them for those violations?
POWELL: Not against the company and the software, but the suits will be against the election officials who invalidate the results of the election and force it to the legislatures and the Electoral College and then to Congress, if necessary.
DOBBS: There has been great controversy as well, as you know, about the reports of a raid on a company, Scytl, in Germany, which held election data, presumably, and a raid that was carried out by U.S. forces, or so goes the report, although the forces themselves were not clearly identified, nor the event actually proven. Can you tell us what actually did happen there and what you do know?
POWELL: Well, I know that is one of the server centers. There's also one in Barcelona. So it is related to the entire Smartmatic-Dominion software operation. We do not know whether the good guys got the servers or whether the bad guys got them. Being on the outside of the government, we simply don't know. I'm hoping it's the good guys, and if they have that, then there should be scads of evidence of frankly an international conspiracy, criminal conspiracy of the worst sort.
DOBBS: And it’s the presumption then, that they had the records of those servers of all of the votes that were processed by Dominion or Smartmatic?
POWELL: Yes, the way it works [is] the votes can be changed either on the ground as they come in, people can watch the votes stream in live -- for example, there was a Dominion employee, high up, high-ranking, at the Detroit center the night of the election, he could've watched the votes come in live and manipulated them in that process. It could've run an automatic algorithm against all the votes which we believe is what happened originally, and then the machines had the shop, the counting had to stop in multiple places because President Trump's lead was so great at that point they had to stop the counting and come in and back-fill the votes they needed to change the result.
DOBBS: And let me ask you as we wrap up here: What is the next steps for the legal team and when do you believe you will be prepared to come forward with hard evidence establishing the basis for a court to overturn all elections, or at least results of those elections, in a number of battleground states?
POWELL: Well, we are still in the process of collecting evidence. It's coming in in massive amounts. And even today we're getting more people coming forward telling us the truth about what happened. I would think we would have fraud complaints ready sometime by late next week at the latest, but like I said it's just a massive amount of information now. We’ve got -- Well, let me put it this way: There's thousands of people in federal prisons on far less evidence of criminal conduct than we have already against the Smartmatic and Dominion Systems companies, and most of the companies in the country run the same sort of software or have that code in their software. So it's farther and more widespread.
DOBBS: And incredibly, one of the benefits of this may be that we will learn who actually owns these companies. We have just watched, everyone in this audience tonight, our election is run by companies, the ownership of which we don't know. Sidney Powell is among those trying to change all of that. Sidney Powell, thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate it.