From the January 28 edition of Fox News' Justice with Judge Jeanine:
JEANINE PIRRO (HOST): Does the ban have anything to do with religion? How did the president decide the seven countries? I understand the permanent ban on the refugees. OK, talk to me.
RUDY GIULIANI: OK. I'll tell you the whole history of it. So when he first announced it he said “Muslim ban.” He called me up and said, “put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally.” I put a commission together with Judge Mukasey, with Congressman McCaul, Pete King, a whole group of other very expert lawyers on this. And what we did was we focused on, instead of religion, danger. The areas of the world that create danger for us. Which is a factual basis. Not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible, and that's what the ban is based on. It's not based on religion. It's based on places where there are substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.
PIRRO: Well let me ask you this. I was kind of surprised to see that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are not on the list. And yet we know that the San Bernardino attack by Syed Farook and Malik -- I think her name was Tashfeen Malik -- she was born in Pakistan and then came through Saudi Arabia. So why were some of those countries left out?
GIULIANI: Well I'll tell you about Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is going through a massive change. I think the kingdom particularly under the new prince has a real understanding that we are dealing with a massive radical Islamic terrorist problem. It is not the old Saudi Arabia. This isn't the Saudi Arabia of 2000, 2001, 2002. President Obama is dealing with a new Saudi Arabia --
PIRRO: President Trump.
GIULIANI: President Trump, rather, is dealing with a very different Saudi Arabia than President Obama was dealing with. And a Saudi Arabia that has much closer relationships with Israel and with us, if we know how to use it correctly. Pakistan I would have to know more about. That troubles me a little bit like it troubles you.