HEATHER MAC DONALD (GUEST): It all happened in the ‘80s when that came on, this steamroller of hatred towards greatness and it has never slowed down.
TUCKER CARLSON (HOST): Where did that come from?
MAC DONALD: It came from a narcissism of -- of the failed, the -- it's a hatred of a civilization deemed too white and male. There -- it grew out of this tragic pendulum swing within the Black civil rights movement that was, for so long, striving for the ideals that America was itself violating.
But, you know what? It's heartbreaking to see these pictures, I've said recently, of Ella Fitzgerald and Duke Ellington dressed to the nines, living up to the highest range of civilization at a time when America was cruelly denying them opportunity, and then we had this one moment where there --
CARLSON: There was a real dignity in that.
MAC DONALD: A dignity and a -- a nobility.
MAC DONALD: And then, it all swung past and you got the oppositional culture of the ghetto and hip hop that came up, that now -- now, all that striving for bourgeois normalcy is gone, and you have the glorification of gangster culture, which is tragic.
But, so -- I think the Black radicalism drove a lot of this, and the -- the growth of racial preferences, the dismantling of single standards of evaluations began in the 60s with -- with preferences for admission. Then the females glommed on to that, you know, with -- with feminism and their marginalization of males, and since then, the glorification of victimhood.