Fox segment descends into chaos when Juan Williams mentions Trump's violent rhetoric may have repercussions

From the October 24 edition of Fox News' The Five:

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DANA PERINO (CO-HOST): And the Capital Gazette -- let's just remember, let's go back. This was a person who had sent letters to the editor and was known to the Capital Gazette. And that whole -- that was not about political speech. It was about how this deranged person had a gun and how he was able to get in there. That was what that was about. There was a tangential relationship to say, well we shouldn't say the press is the enemy of the people. Absolutely agree.


Speech is not violence. Speech is not action. Speech is speech, and we have to keep that in mind. That is the First Amendment for a reason. Let's not take the Capital Gazette example and say that this is the same thing. 

JUAN WILLIAMS (CO-HOST): No, no. I didn't say that, Emily brought it up, and I think it's legitimate, by the way. But let me just say, when you have a president who says, I really loved body slamming, this candidate who bodyslammed a reporter -- 

PERINO: I get it, I get it. Again, he didn't slam the reporter. 

WILLIAMS: No, he celebrated the guy who did.

GREG GUTFELD (CO-HOST): It's a joke.

WILLIAMS: Everything is a joke until there's violence.

GUTFELD: You are incapable of telling the difference between something serious and a joke. And by the way, if you want to sit here and blame him for the rhetoric, it goes both way, sir. 

WILLIAMS: Oh here we go. What about it? What about it?

GUTFELD: No, no, no. Let me finish. You had your soliloquy.


GUTFELD: You had your soliloquy. 

WILLIAMS: You want to absolve Trump of any kind of responsibility--

GUTFELD: If you want to blame rhetoric, if you want to blame violence on rhetoric, everybody is guilty, OK? You could go after the networks for specials on police brutality, linking that to the death of cops. You could talk about how much anti-Trump coverage there is and you could link that to perhaps death threats against him. It's something that is so meaningless. If you blame rhetoric then you let the real people off the hook, and some of those people just happen to be fringe frickin' psychos who hijack the news and you're using it to bash Trump which is kind of despicable. No, because you do this every day! You'll take anything you can and throw it on Trump. It's so comical, at a point, it is funny. It's funny to me. 

WILLIAMS: Imagine that, because Trump goes off about Democrats as responsible for turning us into socialists, remember, not only that, what about 'lock her up,' 'the press as the enemy of the people,' George Soros -- 

GUTFELD: And that caused violence?

JESSE WATTERS (CO-HOST): Fake news is the enemy of the people. If we're going to slam him, let's slam him accurately. 

WILLIAMS: Yeah but I think that you purposefully close your eyes anytime you say, “Trump is just talking. It's just rhetoric.” 

GUTFELD: Yeah that's me, I was so good on Trump when he was running for president. 


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