From the December 4 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
NED RYUN (FOUNDER, AMERICAN MAJORITY): I totally agree with President Trump talking about shutting down the southern border. I would also argue he should shut down government, because then we can have a conversation about what size government do we really want? And people have to understand, when we talk about government shutdown, government really doesn't shutdown. We just send home the non-essentials --
STEVE DOOCY (CO-HOST): Right.
RYUN: -- of which there are about 800,000 federal government employees that are considered nonessential. Let's have that conversation. Why do we have 2 million government employees? Why are we spending $136 billion a year? And why do we have over 430 departments, agencies, and sub-agencies in our federal government?