ROBERT RAY (FORMER WHITEWATER INDEPENDENT COUNSEL): [Whether Trump's payment to adult film actor Stormy Daniels was a violation of campaign finance laws] is murky. And because it's murky -- generally speaking, these things, if the [former Sen.] John Edwards situation taught us anything, this is not something you would want to go to a jury with. This is something in all other situations would be handled civilly, and if you asked -- I guarantee you, if you went down on Sixth Avenue and we asked the first 50 people, is this a personal expense or is this a campaign expenditure, I think most people would probably understand this is a personal expense. And common sense, you know, generally is kind of where you want to be on this. I really -- if this is what the Democrats are leading with, hey, look, more power to them. If they think that this is the basis for an impeachment proceeding, my own view, look -- and people will decide, they are elected representatives, but I think they're dreaming.
STEVE FORBES (EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, FORBES): The real crimes happened in 2016 from the FBI and some intelligence agencies.
MARIA BARTIROMO (HOST): That's right.
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RAY: It's the one problem that's the worst thing in law enforcement, and that's when politics start driving decisions about using the criminal law.
FORBES: In 2017, the FBI trying to do a bureaucratic coup against the president of the United States, the 25th Amendment?
