From the December 1 edition of CNN's Newsroom with Brooke Baldwin:
CARL BERNSTEIN: Look, we only have a small look right now at what Mueller is doing. But what we see is that he's making great progress in going up the chain. The question is, is this going to be something like Watergate whereas you go up the chain, the president of the United States is implicated both in obstruction of justice and in terms of a conspiracy of the facts to undermine the democratic process, which is what also happened in Watergate. Or is it more perhaps like Iran-Contra where those below the president, at the level of Flynn and other advisers in the national security bureaucracy particularly ended up going to jail, were indicted, the president of the United States was basically untouched in that criminally in that investigation.
We have got a long way to go here. But what we see now is, look, nobody can say with a straight face who has any sense of objectivity that this is about fake news at this point. This fake news business is gone. Nobody can claim that, especially the president with any kind of reality. And the other thing is a lot of what we are seeing is about the president's hold on reality. How he has responded to these investigations. What will he do next now that he sees Mueller closing in more particularly on members of his family? It's unquestionable that among those alluded to in the statements by General Flynn is Jared Kushner, his son-in-law.