JENNA ELLIS (HOST): What has really frankly surprised me and maybe it shouldn't have, but it genuinely has. Over all of this conversation surrounding President Trump's comments and saying that this is a terrible thing that DeSantis signed a heartbeat bill, is that so many of his supporters are simply saying that's fine and they're defending this instead of being principled and saying, well, I might be voting for Donald Trump. I absolutely reject what he said. I disagree with that. What happened to Republican conservative politics that we can't at least call out people based on ignoring the principles that supposedly we hold dear?
ABBY JOHNSON (GUEST): Well, I think this is -- I mean I think this is kind of par for the course with people who are Trump apologists. Right?
He is constantly berating women about their looks, their appearance, their clothing, all of this. You know Trump apologists never come out and say, hey, you know, I get it. Like, I like it. I like what he does. But that's really bad. I mean, these are supposedly Christians. These are supposed conservatives. We should be against playground bullying. But yet their chosen candidate is doing it day in and day out. We should be able to say, as conservative Christians, look, this is who I think will do the best job for our country. But he needs to be held accountable for his actions and his behavior. For me, this is not somebody who I believe is appropriate to lead our country at this time. And I'll tell you why. As you know, he was not my choice in the primary before. And he's certainly not my choice in the primary right now. And that's because I did not -- I do not believe that he did hold true to the promises that he said he was going to deliver on in his presidency.
Everybody comes out and says, oh, you know, he was the most pro-life president, the most pro-life President. Donald Trump is an opportunist and he's a businessman. And so he's going to do the things that he believes rally his base. I don't believe that Donald Trump was ever necessarily a pro-life man, but he needed a conservative ticket. And so he said what needed to be said. And that's okay. You know, that's okay with me, right. Like, I don't really necessarily care what his deep-down convictions are. I just really care that he's moving the ball forward on the issue of life. But now I feel like his real convictions are coming out, if he can't even say yes, I would absolutely sign any pro-life bill that came across my desk, then he should not be any pro-life first candidate, period.