MARTHA MACCALLUM (HOST): The numbers that I spoke of that are in your piece today in The New York Post, where do they come from? How do you substantiate those increases in suicide and overdose?
BETSY MCCAUGHEY: That's right, these numbers are not theoretical models, these -- this is based on actual historical data. For example, the numbers related to drug overdose death are right out of the National Bureau of Economic Research. The numbers relating to the length between unemployment and suicide come right out of the very prestigious medical journal Lancet.
So, instead of relying on theoretical models, as we are to predict coronavirus deaths, we are relying on actual historical facts to predict very sadly that the number of deaths from the shutdown may exceed the number of deaths from the coronavirus, and of course, our goal should be to avoid death of all sorts.