LAURA INGRAHAM (FOX HOST): Our next guest was once a climate alarmist but now says the entire movement is, quote, “a scam.” Tom Harris is the executive director of the International Climate Science Coalition. He joins me now. Tom, good to see you tonight. Now, you actually say the only way to get rid of this is to go after the science of climate change. Explain.
TOM HARRIS (EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, INTERNATIONAL CLIMATE SCIENCE COALITION): Yeah, exactly. A lot people will say, well, you know, Canada, for example, puts out so little greenhouse gas emissions that we shouldn't we shouldn't actually try to reduce it because China is double the United States. Well, the trouble is, people argue that, well, yes, but we have to set an example to the world and we have to be good citizens and all that sort of thing. So they're using these arguments quite often that China's double the emissions of the U.S., et cetera, but the real underlying thing is that there is no climate crisis.
It's all based on models that don't work.
LAURA INGRAHAM: But, Tom, when you hear, you know, politicos, especially, but not just politicos, celebrities – it's settled science. Science is settled. Is science ever settled? Really? I mean, except over time where you really. You know what what is H2O? We know what H2O is, right. We understand that, but is this science settled? Really quickly.
TOM HARRIS: No, in fact, it's a very immature science. In fact, we don't even know whether it's going to warm or cool in the future. Various people who study the sun, for example, Dr. Patterson, they show that we're headed into a grand solar minimum around 2060 and that we'll see gradual cooling over the next few decades. So the bottom line is we have no clue what's going to really happen. So the only sensible approach is to get ready for it, to make our infrastructure hardened, to use solid, dependable sources of energy like coal.