BRET BAIER (HOST): Senator Harris obviously had some key points in the talk about COVID-19, and also about fighting for justice, but it seemed many times that Vice President Pence controlled the conversation in a disciplined kind of way.
How those smirks and nods and eye rolls and laughs play on the split-screen is another part of the debate. You don't see that here in the hall unless you're looking at a TV, but it is part of debating on this national stage.
MARTHA MACCALLUM (CO-HOST): It is, absolutely.
BAIER: And how that plays with the American people is a big question.