BRIAN KILMEADE (CO-HOST): And how do you feel about getting rid of the choke?
JOCKO WILLINK (FORMER U.S. NAVY SEAL): You know, the chokehold is a very good tool for people to use when you're trying to detain somebody, and I think what you have here is the worst-case scenario -- you know, people in Washington D.C. literally dictating what can and cannot be used on the streets.
And I'm going to tell you, I have been choked thousands of times training jiu jitsu. I have choked -- put a chokehold on thousands of people training jiu jitsu. I have never been injured, I have never injured anyone. Why? Because I stay detached, I learn, I know the moves and I use them correctly. And so it is something that definitely needs to be discussed, and anybody that knows anything about defensive tactics, about hand to hand combat knows that the chokehold is the most gentle way to subdue somebody.
KILMEADE: Right. That's very interesting because a lot of martial artists are saying it's crazy to get rid of the chokehold, but you don't want to kill someone with it, you want to subdue them with it and both sides seem to agree on that and the people who are experts in it say don't agree on that. So hopefully they're listening to you That's why law enforcement needs a seat at the table.