JUAN WILLIAMS (CO-HOST): Let me just say I don't think there's any debate that what he said is true --
GREG GUTFELD (CO-HOST): Oh, yes there is.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, because it's --
GUTFELD: Our country was not --
DANA PERINO (CO-HOST): Founded on --
GUTFELD: -- was founded on white supremacy, I would disagree.
WILLIAMS: Well, I wouldn't, because I would say the founders reserved the franchise, the voting franchise for landowning white males. I think that was it.
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JESSE WATTERS (CO-HOST): Any person that's going to run for president of this country never would say something like that.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think anybody who knows American history would say, “Okay, so, that's reality.” The question is --
WATTERS: I don't think anybody agrees with that, Juan.
WILLIAMS: We -- wait, how can you disagree with the idea that America -- that the Founding Fathers said you got to be a landowning white male to vote --
WATTERS: Just because something happened at the time doesn't define the founding.
WILLIAMS: I -- what are you talking about?
WATTERS: Just because people had slaves during the founding doesn't mean we were founded on slavery and white supremacy.
WILLIAMS: I just think that's a fact of our American being, and we continue --
WATTERS: No, it's a fact. It's a flaw, but it doesn't define the founding.
WILLIAMS: Of course it defines the founding.
WATTERS: No, it does not.
