HALL: I think there are a couple of things that I would like to see the media cover. One is the businesses that hire these workers. I mean, there's an unusual alliance here. And President Bush actually called this a “guest worker program.” So if you're going to talk about language, he was presenting it that way. A lot of these people have stayed on past legal visas. That's a different category. And I think there's a lot that we're not seeing in the coverage only of this march.
PINKERTON: The media like brown people, but they like black people more. And so, therefore, the -- when Jesse Jackson and his -- some of these people are starting to worry about immigrants cutting away jobs from African Americans, that's one thing. But what they really dislike, of course, is white people. And so --
HALL: Oh, Jim. Oh, please. Please.
PINKERTON: -- in that sense, the -- the racial typology -- brown, black, white -- was visible there, and I think --
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PINKERTON: I stand by it completely, in terms of the way the Minutemen were covered on this coverage. And anybody can watch --
GABLER: The Minutemen got a favorable article on the front page of The New York Times.
PINKERTON: The Minutemen get slammed --
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HALL: And The New York Times covered the black question --
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BURNS: Cal [Thomas, panelist], because you've been -- because you've been --
HALL: -- inaccurately.
